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  Excerpts from "Millions Now Living WILL Never Die"

  by Ivor Hope in

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  2. friends

  the book is currently up for auction on ebay with less than 24 hours to go, so i thought you may be interested in seeing a few of the pages from book which make really interesting reading - the pertinent sections are highlighted: the images aren't displaying so here are the urls:http://www.geocities.com/ivor_hope/millions/millionspage1.jpghttp://www.geocities.com/ivor_hope/millions/millionspage2.jpghttp://www.geocities.com/ivor_hope/millions/millionspage3.jpg.

  i'll let you draw your own conclusions, but i am pretty sure 99.9% of jws no nothing about these "inspired teachings" of the judge!!

  if you are interested in acquiring this book the place to go is .

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  Ivor Hope

  Oops!!

  I reposted an image I thought I had missed above...but I hadn't. It's just that none of the images are showing!!

  Can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong?
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  Excerpts from "Millions Now Living WILL Never Die"

  by Ivor Hope in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the book is currently up for auction on ebay with less than 24 hours to go, so i thought you may be interested in seeing a few of the pages from book which make really interesting reading - the pertinent sections are highlighted: the images aren't displaying so here are the urls:http://www.geocities.com/ivor_hope/millions/millionspage1.jpghttp://www.geocities.com/ivor_hope/millions/millionspage2.jpghttp://www.geocities.com/ivor_hope/millions/millionspage3.jpg.

  i'll let you draw your own conclusions, but i am pretty sure 99.9% of jws no nothing about these "inspired teachings" of the judge!!

  if you are interested in acquiring this book the place to go is .

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  Ivor Hope

  The book is currently up for auction on Ebay with less than 24 hours to go, so I thought you may be interested in seeing a few of the pages from book which make really interesting reading - the pertinent sections are highlighted:

  http://www.geocities.com/ivor_hope/millions/millionspage1.jpg

  http://www.geocities.com/ivor_hope/millions/millionspage2.jpg

  http://www.geocities.com/ivor_hope/millions/millionspage3.jpg

  I'll let you draw your own conclusions, but I am pretty sure 99.9% of JWs no nothing about these "inspired teachings" of The Judge!!

  If you are interested in acquiring this book the place to go is

  http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3562147501&category=12571
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  What scams did you use for counting your time?

  by Ivor Hope in

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  flowerpetals post and thread reminded me of some of the scams we would use to try to show the maximum numbers of hours spent in "service" for the smallest amount of effort.

  here's some of the ones i remember...just wondered if any of you had any other memories.. .

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  Ivor Hope

  Flowerpetals post and thread reminded me of some of the scams we would use to try to show the maximum numbers of hours spent in "service" for the smallest amount of effort. Here's some of the ones I remember...just wondered if any of you had any other memories.

  Knocking on a door near to home where you knew they would be out before making the hour long journey to the actual territory so you could count the time from that first door.

  Walking slowly between doors and chatting for 5 minutes at any door where you didn't get a reply.

  On return visits, walking between calls very slowly making sure to refuse lifts in a car

  When on territory, knocking a couple of doors and then going to visit someone nearby who was "sick" or needed "spiritual encouragement (always good for an hour and a cup of coffee in the warm)

  Having a chat with a neighbour about the garden, the weather, football etc, remembering to mantion something in a recent Awake or WT so as to count this as "incidental" witnessing.

  I'm sure you must have some more!
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  "Millions Now Living..........." - For Sale

  by Ivor Hope in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  if anyone is interested in acquiring an original copy of this book from judge rutherford, outlining his views on the end of the system of things and the resurrection of the faithful men of old in the 1920's, then i know that there is a copy up for auction on ebay:.

  http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/ebayisapi.dll?viewitem&category=12571&item=3562147501.

  you can see some of the extracts at:.

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  Ivor Hope

  Hi Sandyjo,

  Lots of people have said that Russel was doing his best and he was only human after all. That same sentiment is still being used about the WTS today. The only problem with that argument is that it was claimed that Russel, then Rutherford and Knorr claimed to be the "Faithful & Discreet Slave". Franz changed it to encompass the remnant of the 144,000. As such they are supposed to have a "direct line" to Jehovah as He is communicating to His people by means of this slave class. If that was true, then no longer can Russell, Rutherford etc. be excused for making "human" mistakes. They claimed there "truth" doctrine was coming directly from Jehovah. In 1972 the Watchtower carried an article claiming the FDS class to be "Inspired" of God (a claim they have since tried to retract).

  If this FDS class was inspired, then how can it make mistakes - or are we saying Jehovah makes mistakes.

  If it is NOT inspired, then what right do they have to disfellowship or excommunicate anyone who disagrees with their understanding of scripture and doctrine. Surely if they are only doing their best to understand these things as men, then I have every right to choose to accept their interpretation or reject it.

  Unfortunately, that is not the case in the Organisation...you accept it or get thrown out!

  You will miss the people and association, as I did. But just analyse how real those friends were, who can turn their back on you overnight based on the decision of 3 men who at best are only human and trying to do their best to follow the decrees of a man made organisation, and who at worst are totally inept, unqualified and too inexperienced in life to be making such far reaching decisions.

  Many of the principles taught and practices taught by the WTS are good and I continue to live my life by them. But, despite what the Society claims, there are many other people living their lives by those same scriptural principles who are NOT JWs.

  Take care

  Ivor

  www.geocities.com/ivor_hope
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  "Millions Now Living..........." - For Sale

  by Ivor Hope in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  if anyone is interested in acquiring an original copy of this book from judge rutherford, outlining his views on the end of the system of things and the resurrection of the faithful men of old in the 1920's, then i know that there is a copy up for auction on ebay:.

  http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/ebayisapi.dll?viewitem&category=12571&item=3562147501.

  you can see some of the extracts at:.

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  Ivor Hope

  Latte,

  This book was one of the major factors in helping me break free from the B-Org.

  When you read what Rutherford had to say in this book, it is clear he was meaning that those living in 1920 would never die...because they would be alive in 1925....the start of the New Order, accompanied by the resurrected faithful worthies.

  Then when they hadn't arrived by 1927 he decided to build a house for them at Beth Sarim, on the obvious understanding that despite having died in the Middle East they would definately be resurrected in San Diego, California!!

  He just kept the place warm for them, living in this beautiful mansion for the rest of his life, just waiting for their arrival...it was the least he could do!!
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  "Millions Now Living..........." - For Sale

  by Ivor Hope in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  if anyone is interested in acquiring an original copy of this book from judge rutherford, outlining his views on the end of the system of things and the resurrection of the faithful men of old in the 1920's, then i know that there is a copy up for auction on ebay:.

  http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/ebayisapi.dll?viewitem&category=12571&item=3562147501.

  you can see some of the extracts at:.

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  Ivor Hope

  If anyone is interested in acquiring an original copy of this book from Judge Rutherford, outlining his views on the end of the system of things and the resurrection of the Faithful men of Old in the 1920's, then I know that there is a copy up for auction on Ebay:

  http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=12571&item=3562147501

  You can see some of the extracts at:

  http://www.geocities.com/ivor_hope/millions/millions.html
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  jw homes for the elderly

  by be wise in

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  a witness told me recently that jws have homes that house the elderly.

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  Ivor Hope

  There are a number of Retirement Homes and Nursing Homes specifically for KW's in the UK. They are called Jah Jirah homes.

  Only witnesses are allowed to work there, and if anybody is reproved/da's/df's etc they have to leave....totally contravening UK employments laws regarding race and religion!!

  They were started by individuals but the Society has now gotten involved with all the homes being run on a Trust basis with members of WTS being on the Board of Trustees.

  I beleive the Society has sent people in to see how the set up works with a view to opening homes in other countries.
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  Websites You KNOW Are Fake

  by Stephanus in

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  1. amish websites.

  any more suggestions?

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  www.sdn.org

  National Society for Dislexics!!
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  Link To "Early Day Motion" re: JW's

  by Ivor Hope in

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  2. child-abuse

  here's the actual early day motion being put before the house of commons.

  it has 7 signatories to date, so it's important to make all our mp's aware of the situation and get them to sign this motion.

  http://edm.ais.co.uk/weblink/html/motion.html/ref=1624

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  Ivor Hope

  Here's the actual Early Day Motion being put before the House of Commons. 

  It has 7 signatories to date, so it's important to make all our MP's aware of the situation and get them to sign this motion.

  http://edm.ais.co.uk/weblink/html/motion.html/ref=1624
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  how will panorama affect jehovahs witnesses?

  by haujobbz in

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  do you think jehovahs witnesses churches will be safe.will jws go to self defense classes.will jws think it the government turning on them to fulfill bible prophecy.will the jws be concerned about there kids at risk.will it be all over the media.will the jws change there policies.

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  Ivor Hope

  I think the Kingdom Hall in Scotland may have it's windows broken and graffitti daubed on it by tomorrow!!